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Date: Sat 7 Nov 87 09:44:13-GMT
From: Jeff Shulman <SHULMAN@SDR>
Subject: Usenet Mac Digest V3 #91

Usenet Mac Digest     Saturday, November 7, 1987     Volume 3 : Issue 91

Today's Topics:
     Re: Sound Resources for Mac II
     Re: Shareware (was Red Ryder)
     Re: Yet more INIT questions
     Re: Mac Software for children
     Re: Calling DAHandler
     Re: Mail-order and warranties
     Hypercard medical reference - group project
     Long Packet Mac Kermits?
     Re: Font needed for MacGolf 2.0
     Re: Long Packet Mac Kermits?
     Re: Magazine query
     Re: Terminal Emulators and French Support
     Re: diskless mac-II A/UX
     Re: A/UX and 3rd party disks?
     SuperMac Tech Support
     Re: SE Internal Hard Disk Size
     Prototype Card for the Mac II. (Nubus)
     Review of _Quarterstaff_ (Mac game)
     An A/UX question...
     Re: MultiFinder versus SuiteCase

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From: [e-mail] (Mark Lentczner)
Subject: Re: Sound Resources for Mac II
Date: 2 Nov 87 17:49:54 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

In reference to the current disscussion about Sound Resouces on the Mac
II someone said something about haveing sounds sampled at a different
rate and wanting a program to re-sample them to the right sample rate
for the Mac II.

You DO NOT NEED to do this!!!  It only doubles or quadruples the number
of samples in the file.  The SoundManager in the Mac II will happily
re-sample the sound at play time!  All you have to do is look in the
header of the  snd resource (either type 1 or type 2) and change the
sample rate constant. The Sample rate constant tells the Sound Manger
what sample rate the sound was sampled at.  It is a 32 bit fixed-point
number (binary point in the  middle).  For various sample rates the
proper values are:

    44,100.00hz (CD Rate)    AC44 0000
    22,254.54hz (Mac Rate)    56EE 8BA2
    11,127.27hz (Half Mac)    2B77 45D1
     5,563.63hz (Quarter)    15BB A2E9

In any of the system beeps you should find the value for mac or half mac
I don't remember what offset the value is stored at, poke in the system
ones to see.

--
-Mark Lentczner
 ATG Graphics & Sound Group
 Apple Computer, Inc.
 20525 Bandley Drive, MS:22Y
 Cupertino, CA 95014

 [e-mail]
 {dual,ios,voder,nsc}!apple!mark.UUCP


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From: [e-mail] (Rick Holzgrafe)
Subject: Re: Shareware (was Red Ryder)
Date: 2 Nov 87 18:07:50 GMT
Organization: Apple Computer Inc., Cupertino, USA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Robert Gardner) writes:
>I once heard a successful developer (I believe it was Chris Crawford)
>comment that it's the final 10% of polishing that makes the difference
>between a fun, usable program (he was talking about game software) and
>a flop.
>[...]
>Robert Gardner

Hm.  Makes sense, but... I'm a shareware author ("Scarab of RA", a
graphics adventure game for the Macintosh).  I spent nearly half the
total development time on that "final 10%": getting out bugs, polishing
the user interface, writing (and re-writing and editing) a massive
on-line help feature.  I wanted to release a polished, finished product;
after all, it would have my name on it, and I would be asking money for
it. I think I did a pretty good job (if I do say so myself. :-)

I asked what I thought was a good bargain price, ten dollars, and
released it in February 1987. To date, I've had slightly over fifty
sales.

Now, I'm not complaining. I had fun building it, and I knew when I
started that I was unlikely to become a millionaire $-) as a result.
But I was hoping for a little better than a projected 70 sales a year
for a quality product!

So why doesn't it sell?  I dunno - could be a) poor distribution (nets,
BBSs, user groups, and Jasmine disk drives - is that a lot?), or b) it's
not as hot as I think it is :-( or c) people are playing it in droves,
but not paying up, or d) it just takes time to get noticed: a few months
to be seen, a few months to get around to trying the game, a few months
to decide to keep it, a few months to get around to sending the check.

The reason is kind of unimportant though.  Unless the money suddenly
starts to pour in (see hypothesis d, and cross your fingers for me, I
have a mortgage), I won't be writing any more shareware.  Scarab was
between 6 and 12 man-months (not calendar months) in development, and a
return of maybe $700 per year on that kind of effort is not real
inspiring.

Anybody have any counter-arguments?

(Before I close, let me direct your attention to the disclaimer below,
and add that "Scarab of RA" is not an Apple product.  Not a Claris
product either!)
==========================================================================
Rick Holzgrafe             | {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!rmh
Communications Software Engineer | AppleLink HOLZGRAFE1 (I don't look often)
Apple Computer, Inc.         | "All opinions expressed are mine, and do
20525 Mariani Ave. MS: 27-Y     | not necessarily represent those of my
Cupertino, CA 95014         | employer, Apple Computer Inc."

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From: [e-mail] (Joel West)
Subject: Re: Yet more INIT questions
Date: 2 Nov 87 20:36:50 GMT
Organization: Palomar Software, Inc., Vista, CA

Counting on having a QuickDraw grafport initialized in an INIT is a very
bad move.  So anything referenced via A5, including variables such as
white, randSeed, etc. is out.

I think QuickDraw can be used in an INIT; I just think you have to make
your own port (I haven't done it, so don't quote me). Usually INIT's are
very simple, like to install some code that will be used later.
--
    Joel West (c/o UCSD)
    Palomar Software, Inc., P.O. Box 2635, Vista, CA  92083
    Author, Programming with Macintosh Programmer's Workshop (Bantam)
    {ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!jww     [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Bill Petro - Program Management Office)
Subject: Re: Mac Software for children
Date: 2 Nov 87 20:42:40 GMT
Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mountain View

I got "KidsTime" from Great Wave Software for my 3 year old.  She loved
it. It took her about 5 minutes to get the hang of the mouse.  There are
about 7 games in the package, Matching, ABC's (with the MacinTalk driver
will quiz on the letters), Dot to Dot, Story teller, etc.  Well worth
the money and one of the better educational (for kids) programs.

There is a shareware game called "Dot to Dot" that allows you to
construct your own with any Paint picture, and letters or numbers.  If
you are real interested, I could post a binhex version.


{cbosgd,decwrl,hplabs,seismo,ucbvax}!sun!warp!rock  Bill Petro


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From: [e-mail] (Larry Rosenstein)
Subject: Re: Calling DAHandler
Date: 3 Nov 87 00:10:26 GMT
Organization: Advanced Technology Group, Apple Computer

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Raymond Lau) writes:
>
>How do you tell if MF is running?  (I don't care if I'm in the background
>or fore...)  I'd guess one can't just check for WNE as it may be added in
>later to do nothing but call SystemTask and GNE when not under MF...

What Tech Note #158 says is that applications should not care whether
Multifinder is running or not.  Instead, you should check for the
specific services that Multifinder provides, if your application need to
use them.

There are 2 such services: (1) WaitNextEvent and (2) Temporary Memory
Allocation.

To test for WNE, you simply test that the WNE trap is implemented.
WaitNextEvent is Toolbox trap $60 (trap word $A860).

To test for temporary memory allocation calls, you test that the
Multifinder dispatch trap (Toolbox $8F) is implemented, and that
Switcher is not running.  (Look at the 4-bytes at location $282; it must
be 0 or -1.)

Neither of these tests should be used to tell if Multifinder is running.
This is especially true of WNE, since that might be provided in a future
System, whether Multifinder is present or not.

There is 1 other service that Multifinder provides, which applications
might want to test for.  That is whether the Launch trap will return or
not, when you do a sublaunch.  (It will return is Multifinder is
running.)

An application might want to do some clean up if the Launch trap is not
going to return. For example, when MPW launches an application, it does
not do its normal clean up if Multifinder is running.

Right now, there is no defined way to test for this particular service.
We don't want to encourage applications to do sublaunching (see Tech
Note #126 for details).  I talked to one of the Multifinder people, and
he said that a future version of SysEnvirons might include a bit to
indicate if this service is available.

>Assuming that I've discovered that MF is running.  I want to have MF
>sublaunch DA Handler, if it isn't already loaded....and then make it the
>active application.  (without opening a real DA).  Any ideas on how to do
>this?  This is needed to make a FKEY I have compatible w/MF - it is
>compatible w/DA Handler but not when other applications are active.  I
>guess I'd need a way of deactivating DA Handler when I'm through - if it
>wasn't the active application when I started.

The interface between Multifinder and the DA Handler is not defined,
which mean there is not way to know what environment and parameters the
DA Handler expects.

When you sublaunch a normal application, it will become the active
application (if the Launch succeeds).  After you do the Launch, however,
you have no control over the application.  Also, the layer/appliation
management routines in Multifinder are not available to applications, so
there is no way to change which appliation is active.


--
Larry Rosenstein

Object Specialist
Apple Computer

AppleLink: Rosenstein1
UUCP:  {sun, voder, nsc, mtxinu, dual}!apple!lsr
CSNET: [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Walter Hunt X7031)
Subject: Re: Mail-order and warranties
Date: 2 Nov 87 18:48:11 GMT
Organization: Compugraphic Corp. Wilmington, MA

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Ron Morgan) writes:
>I'm
>considering buying a hard disk from one of them, and was wondering if such
>purchases typically included the original manufacturers' warranties, especially
>the frequent "30-day-trial-money-back" type as advertised by Jasmine.
>
>Considering the horrifying prices of HD's bought "off the shelf" in the
>typical computer store, I'm sure this information would be of interest to
>at least a few netters, so posted replies would certainly be apropos. Besides,
>(R)eplying via e-mail is about as reliable as the weather, at least in my
>case.

Ron:

    When I considered a hard disk, I went through the same set of concerns.
 The problem with mail order is, you don't know whether you've made a
good purchase until you've already made the decision. All too often, I
fear, the determining factor is not the product, but the company that
sells you the product.  Consider the relative attitude of comp.sys.mac
posters toward Icon Review and toward MacConnection.  How many have had
a bad experience with one or the other?  Of those, what percentage were
with IR?  Almost 100%, as far as I recall.  (Guess which one I call when
I want to order something.)

    Some companies' disk drives are only available directly from the
"manufacturer", compounding the problem even further, especially since
the company that sells you a drive today could be in Chapter 11 next
week.  What happens if it breaks, or malfunctions and eats your data, or
catches on fire?  All warranty considerations aside, what happens if you
have to get the damn thing fixed?

    Products and companies that are endorsed in this and other newsgroups
have earned their reputation by satisfying the customer, not only by
offering quality products and reasonable prices, but also by standing
behind them after the sale.  When I considered buying a hard disk, I
read comp.sys.mac for advice.  My choice was the Jasmine Direct Drive
80, which I purchased last summer for about $1400.  I'm sure you could
pick up MacUser or MACWORLD and find a half dozen hard disks with better
price/performance, but I wouldn't be so sure that they would necessarily
be there if I had a problem down the line.   I think Jasmine will be.

    I cannot comment on the reliability of the company you mentioned.
Perhaps they sell a fine and worthy product, will stand behind the
purchase, and will be in business if, six months from now, you have disk
drive problems.  Then again, maybe not.



Hope this helps.

Walter Hunt
Compugraphic Corporation
Wilmington, MA

                "Witty saying here"


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From: [e-mail] (Isaac Kohane)
Subject: Hypercard medical reference - group project
Date: 3 Nov 87 03:43:32 GMT
Organization: Boston U. Comp. Sci.

I have been working for a while on creating a medical handbook/quick
reference out of a collection of tightly crossreferenced hypercard
stacks. So far, I have implemented a drug formulary stack and a
pediatric fluids-and-electrolytes management stack. The intended
audience for these are health care personnel and physicians in
particular.

It occurred to me recently that I might create both a more complete
stack and have a more enjoyable experience if I were to use some of the
pooled talent in netland. Specifically, I propose to have several
persons working as editors of discrete areas of medical practice (e.g
signs and symptoms of genetic diseases, drugs of choice for various
infections...). Their responsibility will be to devise the format and
degree of 'intelligence' of the stacks in their area and then collect
and collate the information necessary. I will then merge these stacks
obtained by E-mail) into a central medical 'handbook' system with easy
access to the various parts of the stack network. At regular intervals
(every 6 months) the latest issue of the handbook will be obtained by
sending a diskette (or $1.10) and postage.

I intend to keep this a non-profit venture that will enlighten both
users and contributors. The information explosion has hit medicine and
its practitioners hard and this approach is one very convenient step
towards arriving at an acceptable solution. I urge those of you with the
expertise to pitch in; not only will we be creating one of the first
medical textbooks/knowledge resources of a new generation, but we will
also be testing how capable the net is of supporting this kind of
collaborative effort.

For the record, I am currently a resident at The Children's Hospital in
Boston, my graduate degrees are MD, PhD with the PhD in Artificial
Intelligence (medical applications).

Those interested should send me E-mail and not respond to the net. When
I have received enough responses, I will assign responsbilities
according to your interests. For those of you who wish to provide
medical information but do not wish to design your own stack I will be
able to help out. Also, if your stacks, like mine, will be more than
collections of text fields (which will often be sufficient in some areas
of medicine) and require programming in Hypertalk, either myself or one
of the other editors will be able to help out if need be.

                                       Climb aboard.


                                       Isaac Kohane


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From: [e-mail] (Mick Laver)
Subject: Long Packet Mac Kermits?
Date: 3 Nov 87 00:43:50 GMT
Organization: University of California, San Diego

Is anyone aware of a Mac comm package (commercial or otherwise) that
supports Kermit's long-packets?

--
Mick Laver, C-010                 Internet:  [e-mail]
UCSD Academic Computing Center    UUCP:     ...!sdcsvax!sdcc3!zz1ml
La Jolla, CA.92093                BITNET:         [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (55542-Bruun)
Subject: Re: Font needed for MacGolf 2.0
Date: 2 Nov 87 21:50:41 GMT
Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories - Naperville, Illinois

In article <23561B5U@PSUVMA>, [e-mail] (George A. Brownfield)
writes:
>When playing MacGolf 2.0, the print at the bottom of the screen is not printed
>correctly, as if it can't find the right font in the system. Can anyone tell me
>which font it is looking for???

I had this problem, too.  If memory serves, I believe it's trying to
find  New York 14.  Great game!  If you haven't already, get ahold of
the two additional course files, both of which contain two new courses.
Let me tell you, they are *tough* to par!  The package, published by the
same folks who brought you the original, is called MacCourses.

Happy putting!


Steve Bruun
AT&T Bell Labs
Naperville, IL
ihnp4!ihlpa!sebruun

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From: [e-mail] (Marc Hannah)
Subject: Re: Long Packet Mac Kermits?
Date: 3 Nov 87 06:58:11 GMT
Organization: Stanford University

   The current release of VersaTerm 3.1 supports long packet Kermit. I
found about a factor of 2 increase in throughput using 1024 byte packets
with long packet Kermit at 9600 baud.

David Gelphman


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From: [e-mail] (Joel West)
Subject: Re: Magazine query
Date: 3 Nov 87 06:26:19 GMT
Organization: Palomar Software, Inc., Vista, CA

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (MIONE)
writes:
>
>     I am not yet a MAC owner (hopefully, I will be one by 1988
> Q1). I have several questions for any who care to answer (you can send
> responses directly to me unless you feel the comments would be of
> general interest).
>
>     1) Which major magazines are available for MAC related
> issues/programming, etc.?
>
>     2) What are their orientations (i.e. User, Technical,
> Hardware, Software, etc.)?

Macworld    - user, software, hardware
MacUser        - same
MACazine    - same
MacWEEK        - news
Macintosh Today    - news, user
MacTutor    - Macintosh programming

Other mags like InfoWorld and Byte also cover the Mac with some
regularity.
--
    Joel West (c/o UCSD)
    Palomar Software, Inc., P.O. Box 2635, Vista, CA  92083
    Author, Programming with Macintosh Programmer's Workshop (Bantam)
    {ucbvax,ihnp4}!sdcsvax!jww     [e-mail]


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From: [e-mail] (Chris Borton)
Subject: Re: Terminal Emulators and French Support
Date: 4 Nov 87 08:22:43 GMT
Organization: UCSD Network Operations Group

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Peter Steele) writes:
>Does anyone know of a terminal emulator (preferably PD) that can be
>configured to display French characters on screen when certain normal
>characters are encountered?

VersaTerm 3.1 has the provision to map incoming characters to something
different and vice-versa.  This would easily handle this--it also will
save files with the Mac grave-accent-e character in it, and translate it
back if it is sent back to the host.

-cbb
Chris "Johann" Borton, UC San Diego    ...!sdcsvax!borton
                    [e-mail]
"Letztes Jahr in Deutschland, noch ein Jahr hier, en dan naar Amsterdam!

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From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Verber)
Subject: Re: diskless mac-II A/UX
Date: 3 Nov 87 13:57:38 GMT
Organization: Ohio State University, Computer Science


The idea of a diskless MacII running A/UX has been *strongly* suggested
to Apple.  They held a meeting a few months ago with the universities
who had recieved seed units to discuss possible improvements for A/UX.
Everyone present stress that they would really like A/UX to boot via the
network.  This idea goes very much against the philosphy of computing
that is present at Apple.  They prefer the idea of stand alone machines
that can share resources, i.e.  being dependant on another machine for
booting and all disk use doesn't sit well with them.  On the other hand,
they seems to hear the pleas of the the university people (who will be
some of the biggest customers). I expect that we will see diskless A/UX
in the next year or two. Apple hasn't committed to this, as far as I
know, but they seem to understand why this will be important to succeed
in the higher education market.

Cheers,
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Computer Science Department                     Mark A. Verber
The Ohio State University             [e-mail]
[phone]                  cbosgd!osu-cis!verber

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From: [e-mail] (Mark A. Verber)
Subject: Re: A/UX and 3rd party disks?
Date: 3 Nov 87 18:57:30 GMT
Organization: Ohio State University, Computer Science


The CDC Wren III will work just fine on a MacII (not a MacPlus because
of bugs in the ROM).  MacTutor of June 87 has an article by Paul Derby
(on page 48ff) which discusses bring up a Wren3 on a MacII.  Included in
the article are MPW sources for a basic installer/formatter.

Most any drive which uses the Quantum 80mb drive should work with the
Apple HD Installer and A/UX also.

Cheers,
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Computer Science Department                     Mark A. Verber
The Ohio State University             [e-mail]
[phone]                  cbosgd!osu-cis!verber

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From: [e-mail]
Subject: SuperMac Tech Support
Date: 2 Nov 87 01:11:14 GMT
Organization: The Portal System (TM)

Greetings...My name is Fabian Ramirez and I'm one of SuperMac
Technology's Technical Support Engineers.  I have recently joined
Portal, so please bear with me as I get accustomed to this system.  I
will be available on UUCP to answer any technical questions about
SuperMac products.

My UUCP address is:
Fabian Fabe [e-mail]
SUN!CUP.PORTAL.COM!Fabian Fabe Ramirez

Also, I can be reached by telephone at [phone].


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From: [e-mail] (Tom Kimpton)
Subject: Re: SE Internal Hard Disk Size
Date: 3 Nov 87 18:04:17 GMT
Organization: Icon International Inc., Orem, Utah

I'm not sure about this, someone told me that disk drive manufacturers
label their drives differently than you and I might think: a 20Mb drive
is actually 20,000,000 bytes, NOT 20*1024*1024.  Thus 20e6 bytes is
19.07 * 1024*1024 bytes.  So.... if the routine used to put the size in
the title bar does it this way then you're doing pretty well.

I don't know about those other sizes, however.

Anyone out there know better?
--
Tom Kimpton            {ihnp4,uunet}!iconsys!tom
Icon International, Inc.    {ihnp4,psivax}!nrcvax!nrc-ut!iconsys!tom
Orem, Utah 84058        ARPANET: [e-mail]
[phone]            BITNET: icon%byuadam.bitnet


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From: [e-mail] (Chris Pottle)
Subject: Prototype Card for the Mac II. (Nubus)
Date: 3 Nov 87 19:26:50 GMT
Organization: Cornell Theory Center, Cornell University, Ithaca NY

Hi,

We are building a graphics card for the Mac II and we are looking for
vendors that make prototype cards. Does anyone have any information on
this?

Thanks in advance.


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From: [e-mail] (Paul Meyer)
Subject: Review of _Quarterstaff_ (Mac game)
Date: 29 Oct 87 23:56:47 GMT
Organization: Cadnetix Corp., Boulder, CO

    I finally decided to order the game, Quarterstaff, being advertised by
Simulated Environment Systems in MacUser.  My first impression on
opening the package was elation--the documentation was only a few pages,
but implied that, as I expected from a Mac game, the user interface was
simple enough not to intrude between me and the game world.

    Unfortunately, as soon as I started playing the disappointments
started piling up.  After about an hour I reached the conclusion that
what I was using was more properly beta-test software than a shippable
product.  For example, although instructions were given in the manual
for printing out the contents of windows (including the automatic
mapping window), the actual menu item was replaced with a disabled line.
 I also got a bomb box when I tried to restart from a save-as.
Additionally, there were several aesthetic problems: The room
descriptions had clearly not been competently proofread (I'm sorry,
religions have "prime tenets", not "prime tenants"!).  The sounds were
too limited and often inappropriate to their uses and the use of
Macintalk was too stilted and inflexible--both were distractions best
turned off.  (At least this function worked--but the disk space and
processor cycles used for sound and speech could be better applied
elsewhere.  See below...)
    After about four hours of playing I discovered that the game was
seriously lacking in robustness--I had several bomb boxes from a saved
game and eventually had to start all over.  (BTW, the file system usage
is not well thought out--to save a game you give a folder to be created;
to restore you find a specific file within the folder. You cannot
double-click on a game to restart it; doing so will crash because saved
game folders do not have some of the constant files the master folder
does.)

    The game also clearly needs to be playtested by someone other than its
creators.  Some operations are incredibly clumsy--dealing with objects
inside containers cannot be done from menus (hierarchical menus could be
used to be symmetric with the menus for what is in the room and what is
on a player's person).  You cannot determine what is in a container,
even on your own person, without spending a turn looking into it--and if
you have no light you can't "look" at all, but you can still drink from
things, remove items from containers, etc. In any case, to access
something in a container you must spell out the whole name of the object
(no abbreviation, no smart parsing of noun phrases).
    The ad and the manual make a big deal of how the creatures in the game
react to your actions via an "AI rule-based system".  As far as I can
tell, the rules consist of:
  1) If it is not in the room, ignore it (even if it's shooting at you).
  2) If it is and it does something other than movement, attack it until
it is dead or you are.
  3) If it tries to give you something, take the thing and then attack
it.
    Come off it, folks!  When D&D dungeons work this way, people get bored.
 It's much worse when there aren't any other humans to interact with!
The games you build with World Builder make creatures more interesting
than this, and they don't claim to be particularly clever in
implementation.

    Another major problem is playing and reaction speed, both subjectively
and objectively.  It takes a long time to do anything--it takes three or
four turns at about 30 seconds or a minute each to do such simple things
as going through a door.  Trading items within the party has to be done
from giver to receiver--otherwise it is an attempt to steal.

    In sum, after less than a week--only about 10 hours of playing time--I
decided the game was unplayable.  I'm sending a copy of this review to
SES.  If I get a response I'll tell you folks all about it.

    (*sigh*)
--
[e-mail]  (nbires!isis!ico!cadnetix!pem)


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From: [e-mail] (Mahboud Zabetian)
Subject: An A/UX question...
Date: 2 Nov 87 21:59:40 GMT
Organization: Princeton U., EE

Does anyone know how to ls a floppy disk from A/UX?  I want to get
information on the files on a floppy, much as the finder does from the
Mac OS.  I have tried to mount the floppy, first by using mkfs and then
mount, but it won't mount.  I can't even get the Mac II to eject the
floppy.  Any ideas?

Also, is there a way to launch Mac applications from A/UX??

Thank you in advance---Mahboud Zabetian
--
Mahboud Zabetian                [e-mail]
183 Little Hall                        [phone]
Princeton University                    [phone]
Princeton, NJ 08544                [e-mail]


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From: robertj@yale-zoo-suned..arpa (Rob Jellinghaus)
Subject: Re: MultiFinder versus SuiteCase
Date: 6 Nov 87 19:43:00 GMT
Organization: Yale University Computer Science Dept, New Haven CT

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Stew Rubenstein) writes:
>It would bother me less if you could quit from Multifinder without
>rebooting, but you can't...

You can't?!  I have a beta version of MF (1.0b6) (the real McCoy hasn't
made it out to New England yet), and if you option-double-click on the
Finder under Multifinder, you get bumped out of MF back into single-
tasking.

Is this a bug or feature that no longer exists in the release version?

Rob Jellinghaus                | "Lemme graze in your veldt,
[e-mail]      |  Lemme trample your albino,
ROBERTJ@{yalecs,yalevm}.BITNET |  Lemme nibble on your buds,
!..!ihnp4!hsi!yale!jellinghaus |  I'm your... Love Rhino" -- Bloom
County

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